Discussion:
Iommi's Sabotage rig
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Benji
2003-11-06 10:54:43 UTC
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Posted this on the Iommi message board... thought some guitarplayers
here might like it too.

"Well Iommi's rig by then was getting more sophisticated, but not that
different from earlier years.

He used the Laney LA100 BL amps, otherwise called Supergroup, which
would surely have been modified to yield more gain, presence and
treble. Around the time of Sabbath Bloody Sabbath he started using JBL
speakers, instead of the original Fanes or Goodmans. The JBL's are
more similar to Jensen as used in Fender amps. They have a stiffer
tone with a more pronounced treble and bass, that doesn't break up so
easily. Reason for this could be that the original speakers kept
blowing up, perhaps he liked the sound, I don't know.

He also mentioned in an interview in 1974 that he uses Fender amps
just to record the solos (obviously more highs and clarity), he might
have used those on the Sabotage album.

He used a (by now) well-modded Rangemaster pedal, or Treblebooster.
The original was used by many players such as Brian May, Ritchie
Blackmore and Eric Clapton (Beano album), but Iommi's version boosted
both high and low frequencies, resulting in a more intense scooped
sound.

I think he was playing in stereo (was this even possible back then?)
on stage --- listen to the Sabotage songs on the Past Lives album.

He could be using an equalizer, boosting frequencies he liked most. I
don't think there is much chance of getting the studio sound, it was
tweaked for ages on the desk.

Most importantly, the guitar: he ditched the red Gibson on many
occasions, since his custom made John Birch was delivered to him!!
This is the black guitar with the crucifixes on the neck. Main
difference in sound:
- the Magnum (hyperflux) pickups with a much higher output
- the wood!! maple, not mahogany was introduced, and it really is very
different.

There you have it... should be about it really. Until Iommi himself
explains we won't know but this is what I managed to collect from
several sources.
Wall of Sleep
2003-11-06 20:13:39 UTC
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Post by Benji
Posted this on the Iommi message board... thought some guitarplayers
here might like it too.
"Well Iommi's rig by then was getting more sophisticated, but not that
different from earlier years.
He used the Laney LA100 BL amps, otherwise called Supergroup, which
would surely have been modified to yield more gain, presence and
treble. Around the time of Sabbath Bloody Sabbath he started using JBL
speakers, instead of the original Fanes or Goodmans. The JBL's are
more similar to Jensen as used in Fender amps. They have a stiffer
tone with a more pronounced treble and bass, that doesn't break up so
easily. Reason for this could be that the original speakers kept
blowing up, perhaps he liked the sound, I don't know.
He also mentioned in an interview in 1974 that he uses Fender amps
just to record the solos (obviously more highs and clarity), he might
have used those on the Sabotage album.
He used a (by now) well-modded Rangemaster pedal, or Treblebooster.
The original was used by many players such as Brian May, Ritchie
Blackmore and Eric Clapton (Beano album), but Iommi's version boosted
both high and low frequencies, resulting in a more intense scooped
sound.
I think he was playing in stereo (was this even possible back then?)
on stage --- listen to the Sabotage songs on the Past Lives album.
He could be using an equalizer, boosting frequencies he liked most. I
don't think there is much chance of getting the studio sound, it was
tweaked for ages on the desk.
Most importantly, the guitar: he ditched the red Gibson on many
occasions, since his custom made John Birch was delivered to him!!
This is the black guitar with the crucifixes on the neck. Main
- the Magnum (hyperflux) pickups with a much higher output
- the wood!! maple, not mahogany was introduced, and it really is very
different.
There you have it... should be about it really. Until Iommi himself
explains we won't know but this is what I managed to collect from
several sources.
Thanks for the good approximation of what he used on Sabotage. I'd
really like to know exactly what his rig was though.

The guitar on Sabotage - especially the rhythm guitar - has a snarly,
woody, nasal tone that I've not heard on any Sabbath album before or
since. And I think it's the best "metal" guitar sound I've ever heard! I
hear it in places on SBS - like he used that rig for certain guitar
tracks - but just a few - and they're mixed in with his more fuzzy
standard sound. Then by TE the sound was gone completely.
--
The first and greatest commandment of Rock and Roll is this -
"Thou shalt remember the Sabbath to keep it holy."
- for upon this commandment hinges all that is Rock and Roll.
Book of Ozzmosis 24:7
Benji
2003-11-07 14:08:03 UTC
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Post by Wall of Sleep
Thanks for the good approximation of what he used on Sabotage. I'd
really like to know exactly what his rig was though.
The guitar on Sabotage - especially the rhythm guitar - has a snarly,
woody, nasal tone that I've not heard on any Sabbath album before or
since. And I think it's the best "metal" guitar sound I've ever heard! I
hear it in places on SBS - like he used that rig for certain guitar
tracks - but just a few - and they're mixed in with his more fuzzy
standard sound. Then by TE the sound was gone completely.
I'm with you, the Sabotage sound is definitely in its own league.. but
which SBS songs are you referring to? The fuzzy sound dominates right?

I can think of 2 major changes for Sabotage: the maple of his black
Custom John Birch guitar and an overdrive device which we don't know
about.

I've approximated his 'Hole in the Sky' sound on some occasions (the
intro to 'The Writ' is another good example). It's basically an
overload of the preamp with a high-mid frequency. It's less tube-like,
more like a transistor sound.
Wall of Sleep
2003-11-07 19:52:03 UTC
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Post by Benji
Post by Wall of Sleep
Thanks for the good approximation of what he used on Sabotage. I'd
really like to know exactly what his rig was though.
The guitar on Sabotage - especially the rhythm guitar - has a snarly,
woody, nasal tone that I've not heard on any Sabbath album before or
since. And I think it's the best "metal" guitar sound I've ever heard! I
hear it in places on SBS - like he used that rig for certain guitar
tracks - but just a few - and they're mixed in with his more fuzzy
standard sound. Then by TE the sound was gone completely.
I'm with you, the Sabotage sound is definitely in its own league.. but
which SBS songs are you referring to? The fuzzy sound dominates right?
I hear it on one of the background guitar tracks on the song "Sabbath
Bloody Sabbath" - If you listen to the guitar that sustains the longest
before the "Where can I run to" riff you'll hear it. I hear it
throughout the album in bits and pieces - the guitar intro to "Sabbra
Cadabra" for example.
Post by Benji
I can think of 2 major changes for Sabotage: the maple of his black
Custom John Birch guitar and an overdrive device which we don't know
about.
Was he using the John Birch on Sabotage? I had heard that he switched to
the John Birch immediately *after* Sabotage - which is why you don't
hear the Sabotage sound on the Sabotage tour. Previous posts here put
the blame for the wimpy guitar sound of TE on the John Birch. Of course
this is all hearsay.
Post by Benji
I've approximated his 'Hole in the Sky' sound on some occasions (the
intro to 'The Writ' is another good example). It's basically an
overload of the preamp with a high-mid frequency. It's less tube-like,
more like a transistor sound.
I definitely hear more mids in there than the standard metal tone. You
know, when they do recording sessions they usually write down all the
amp settings and such - maybe one of the engineers would still have that
info? Kinda doubtful - but that might be our only hope.
--
The first and greatest commandment of Rock and Roll is this -
"Thou shalt remember the Sabbath to keep it holy."
- for upon this commandment hinges all that is Rock and Roll.
Book of Ozzmosis 24:7
General Specific
2003-11-07 15:23:53 UTC
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Post by Wall of Sleep
Post by Benji
Posted this on the Iommi message board... thought some guitarplayers
here might like it too.
Most importantly, the guitar: he ditched the red Gibson on many
occasions, since his custom made John Birch was delivered to him!!
This is the black guitar with the crucifixes on the neck. Main
- the Magnum (hyperflux) pickups with a much higher output
- the wood!! maple, not mahogany was introduced, and it really is very
different.
There you have it... should be about it really. Until Iommi himself
explains we won't know but this is what I managed to collect from
several sources.
Thanks for the good approximation of what he used on Sabotage. I'd
really like to know exactly what his rig was though.
The guitar on Sabotage - especially the rhythm guitar - has a snarly,
woody, nasal tone that I've not heard on any Sabbath album before or
since. And I think it's the best "metal" guitar sound I've ever heard! I
hear it in places on SBS - like he used that rig for certain guitar
tracks - but just a few - and they're mixed in with his more fuzzy
standard sound. Then by TE the sound was gone completely.
--
The first and greatest commandment of Rock and Roll is this -
"Thou shalt remember the Sabbath to keep it holy."
- for upon this commandment hinges all that is Rock and Roll.
Book of Ozzmosis 24:7
I don't know when he started it, but he has played Ibanez in the studio.
Benji
2003-11-13 11:35:03 UTC
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Post by General Specific
I don't know when he started it, but he has played Ibanez in the studio.
We're talking '75, not '95 (he did use an Ibanez on Forbidden)
Supernaut
2003-11-22 01:50:11 UTC
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Post by Benji
Post by General Specific
I don't know when he started it, but he has played Ibanez in the studio.
We're talking '75, not '95 (he did use an Ibanez on Forbidden)
and used BC rich on Born again

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